In this scenario, it is usually accepted that Frampt is telling the whole unabashed truth and that linking the Flame is the good ending, though this mainly due to the fact that Kaathe is relatively hidden and only accessible by either knowing he's there and under which circumstances, or someone trying to 'bug' the game by moving on with the story while disregarding Frampt. They just want to get you there, as many undead as possible. Here's another theory: Everyone who dies is the 'chosen' undead. I believe F+K is just playing both sides under the guise of two Serpents to maximize the amount of undead to challenge Gwyn. Siding with one causes the other to leave you for the rest of the playthrough. I’m on my second Playthrough and I as I was trying to decide on which primordial Serpent to ally myself with and I noticed that their voices were eerily similar to each other. So, serpent leads people to "accept" the dark (albeit unknowingly), and the entire kingdom burns. They collect the Lord Souls, their serpent buddy carries them through the Abyss to the Kiln of the First Flame, and the player fights the final big bad before choosing to either relight the First Flame or let it fade. The opening cinematic really hammers this idea home, all it talks about is light and dark, heat and cold, life and death. Kingseeker Frampt, il Serpente Primordiale, è in un sonno profondo sotto il Santuario Firelink quando i Non morti scelti iniziano la loro missione. Kaathe/Darkwraiths/The Abyss--Hold On, What? BREAKING NEWS: Man dies after his car was hit by a train on a level crossing in Gloucestershire. I always thought the best ending in the game was to piss off both Frampt and Kaathe. So I hinted at Kaathe because 99% of people don't see him their first playthrough anyway. Kaathe being right out wrong depends entirely on how much you trust him. But to talk to Kaathe you need to kill Sif. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. From where I stand, I see the Abyss as being a largely negative mechanism in the game (e.g., it corrupted Artorias, Kaathe lives there and he's responsible for the corruption of New Londo kings, etc. if you gave the lord vessel to kaathe, frampt gets pissed off and leaves. In Japanese Frampt and Kaathe are referred to as the “World Snake" or 世界の蛇 (sekai no hebi) which may refer to "Ningishzida" who is the "Earth-Snake" in Sumerian mythology who is two serpents connected, sometimes with human faces. Archived. Frampt wants to extend the Age of Fire for reasons unknown save for himself. Kaathe and Frampt may appear to be on opposite sides, but Frampt's actions are explainable, and ultimately beneficial to the master plan. Archived. Kaathe/Darkwraiths/The Abyss--Hold On, What? Are there any other clues to support this or is it as solid as Blighttown? Darkstalker Kaathe is the central antagonist of the 2011 videogame Dark Souls and the unseen overarching antagonist of the Artorias Of The Abyss DLC. The Archons were the ancient rulers of the Old Kingdom and were said to be immortal. Makes me feel that I had a good idea (in this case, the hydra theory). Kaathe è un serpente primordiale, proprio come Kingseeker Frampt. I got the Lord vessel, and then went straight to New Londo and beat the four kings. At the end, if you become Dark Lord, he is obligated to serve you because the Serpents are bound to servitude of the Dark Lord. 28.10.2020 byvug So, this has been bothering me for a while--allow me to explain myself. 0. I returned to the firelink bonfire and spoke to Kingseeker Frampt where he told me he was disappointed in my decision. Let the Age of Fire end and the Age of Dark return. Up vote (0) RP. Kingseeker Frampt is a Character in Dark Souls. The impact of F/K is a cornerstone to the Dark Souls story. Close. Patto di Kaathe. The trick is to NOT talk him when you have Vessel. Here's the other problem to a possible solution. I’ve always thought that Frampt and Kaathe are two heads or “faces” of the the same entity, and that the serpents in the Dark Lord ending are paired off as such, not one giant hydra-like creature. They want the Dark Lord to take control and the Age of Darkness to begin, but at the same time, they do not want to make enemies of someone who chooses to Kindle the Flame. Interesting theory for sure, couple of big sticking points for me would be the primordial serpent statues in Ds3 that show just one head and the body on each statue. Just a bunch of serpents. Nice, I really like that primordial hydra idea, sounds quite likely! Could they be separate entities that are all controlled by one mind, but have different personalities. keep playing and killing bosses, that might open the door. Darkstalker Kaathe, also known as Master of the Abyss, is a Primordial Serpent just like Kingseeker Frampt.But unlike Frampt, who persuades the player to choose the "good" ending and "link the bonfire" after defeating Gwyn Lord of Cinder.Kaathe attempts to sway the player the other way and suggest to keep the power to himself and therefore leading into the "Dark Lord Ending". For Dark Souls on the PlayStation 3, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "What if Frampt and Kaathe were actually two heads of the same serpent. That would explain why Frampt is always asleep at firelink, he’s tired from traveling from the abyss. Ningishzida is the origin of Hermes, the messenger of the gods, symbolized by the "Caduceous." Believe me, it work, I did it. Lauren the Flute 1,453 views. Similarly to Janus, they most likely represent duality, more specifically, the duality of man. Interacting with him reveals the existence of the Dark Soul and the revelation that Kingseeker Frampt and the gods are merely using you in a futile attempt to prolong the Age of Fire. I think that they are truly opposing forces, in the sense that each wants you to accomplish one of the endings and not the other. I think they are likely inspired by the Roman god Janus, as much as the Fire Keepers are inspired by vestal virgins (another Roman thing). That would explain why they have different goals but team up in the Dark Lord ending. Frampt has a slightly greener tint than Kaathe, Seperate heads for the same being is possible. How unique is the name Frampt? Not saying i fully disagree, but if you talk to Frampt after planting the lordvessel with Kaathe and siding with the dark, Frampt insults you. I really like when people come up with the same theories as me. I did it myself. This doesn't mean they're on the same side (a coin has two sides even if they are the same coin)- it means they're opposites. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Frampt is a praimordial serpent like kathe and when you become the dark lord they both have to serve you such is their duty but that doesn t mean frampt dont want to stop you . prophetteonit Newbie Posts: 29 Reputation: 0 Join date: 2013-04-23 Age: 26. Red aether art I, the Heaven/Venom of. Dopo averci sedotto, questo essere, ci proporra il Patto Oscuro, uno dei più interessanti. When the Serpents are referenced in the lore (New Londo/Oolacile) they’re not referenced by name, further adding to the ambiguity of the two. Frampt has 11,120 HP; the giant bird has 1,160 HP; and Kaathe has 24,464 hp. Here's the other problem to a possible solution. Also, contrary to what the previous replier stated in 2019, both serpents can transport the player to the Firelink Altar, so it is possible to use Kaathe to reach Firelink Altar even after Frampt disappears. Weird things about the name Frampt: The name spelled backwards is Tpmarf. prophetteonit Newbie Posts: 29 Reputation: 0 Join date: 2013-04-23 Age: 26. If they were the same being, then I don't know why he would be so butthurt. No matter what ending you choose the fire will still burn out, and the serpants will still servive because they can servive in the abyss. Kaathe is specifically mentioned and only Kaathe for that matter by followers of the dark. Im at that point in the game where i have to place the Lordvessel with either Frampt or Kaathe, though am not sure which one would be better to keep gameplay wise. Now, this isn’t uncommon in Dark Souls as most voice actors have more than one role. 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